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Post by jmfarms on May 29, 2010 21:49:04 GMT -6
has anyone heard that if u disk or plow or field cultivsate ur losing 20 BPA because of ground compaction? i now we disk, FC, and use a v ripper and our yields are the same as if we no till. the new Verticial till they say is better but ur still crossing the ground. dad hates no till so we dont do a lot but conventinal comes up better but will not handle the dryness that no till wil. just wondering what everyone thought about this. and we work 90% of our ground
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Post by RedFork2.0 on May 30, 2010 0:12:12 GMT -6
We work all of our ground every year, sometimes just with the disk ahead of the drills. Personally, I think full no-till is a load of BS, especially in our hardland and clay. If you don't till that land, it will get tight and compacted even more (it is already) and that doesn't allow for a good root system. There's some farmers in hardland and clay that have been full no-till for a few years now, and on an average year their crops look like crap. If it's wet enough they would look better than the tilled, but that rarely happens. In my opinion you have to let the soil breath a little  Some of the best wheat in the red clay had been full plowed the summer before... The only way I see full no-till being beneficial is if the ground is really hilly or steep, because of the washing out of the soil because it is bare and loose. As for our land, we usually: disk and drill>top-dress with the blue-jet>harvest>no-till in peas OR spray the stubble with round-up (generic of course ) then disk it later in the summer>pre-anhydrous with the blue-jet>and then start the cycle over again. Not full no-till, but we do a lot less than most around us. We're in sand though also, wind+worked sand+dryness=blowing fields, which is why we wait until later to work our land, and even then we leave quite a bit of trash. |
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Post by johndeerejunkie on May 30, 2010 22:00:43 GMT -6
most of te hfolks around here Full till(plow, disc, harrow, plant) but the 2 BIG operations around here no-till. I agree tha tthe tilled crops look better, but the guys who no-till are farming 500+ acres, an for around here thats a BIG farm!
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Post by jmfarms on Jun 5, 2010 23:15:55 GMT -6
well i HATE molboard plowinf its so slow but i like to run the disk and FC on the 4wds or FWA. we usually pull a disk chiesel or chisel plow, disk, field cultivate and plant in our bottoms but in the rolling ground we disk and field cultivaate and do some no till quit a bit because its cheaper and its hard to cover 8000 acres in a month even with alot of help and good help which we dont have but gota make due.
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Post by johndeerejunkie on Jun 6, 2010 22:53:38 GMT -6
WOW, 8,000 acres, where you at Iowa? Nebraska? Just wondering
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Post by RedFork2.0 on Jun 6, 2010 22:57:52 GMT -6
WOW, 8,000 acres, where you at Iowa? Nebraska? Just wondering Illinois |
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Post by johndeerejunkie on Jun 7, 2010 5:03:51 GMT -6
well at least I was in the righy general area, lol!
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Post by jmfarms on Jun 7, 2010 21:04:05 GMT -6
ya illinois where im from. were not even close to the bigggest farmers. we have two farmers round us that are over 10,000acres. hoping we would get bigger but i dont see it happening this year. kinda the right area illinois is 2nd in corn and 1 in bean production isnt it?
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Post by johndeerejunkie on Jun 8, 2010 5:09:28 GMT -6
SOunds about right. Can't imagine farming that much ground, holy crap!
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Some of the best wheat in the red clay had been full plowed the summer before... The only way I see full no-till being beneficial is if the ground is really hilly or steep, because of the washing out of the soil because it is bare and loose.